Raw Vegan Diet Notes

I began a Raw Vegan Diet on Saturday, November 2014

Here are some notes I have tried to save, perhaps I’ll arrange them someday, hopefully someone might get some benefit from them. I am shooting for an intial 120 days of raw vegan in order to get an idea about things:

I posted on the bogleheads.org forum, a finance forum, but because I know a lot of intellectual and critical people are on there I wanted to see the reactions. The first thread was cancelled (banned) by one of the Moderators and after tailoring it a bit it was allowed again.

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  • Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:16 pm

    Hi,I am not looking for controversy and overheated discussions about raw vs vegan vs eating meat and so forth but some of that would/could be
    entertaining to a point! I have eaten vegetarian for 14 years. In the beginning it was in conjunction with exercise, mainly a demanding yoga
    routine, and I lost around 25% of my body weight as I developed muscle for 6 months. Then my weight stabilized and was very healthy feeling,
    until a year or two ago where I started feeling bloated and bogged down. I have been in Thailand for almost 5 years and there are a lot of vegan
    food places of the Chinese influence which have mock meat products made of soy and mushroom (mostly shitake) and veggies with rice. So that
    has been around 80% of my diet for that last 4-5 years. I also started drinking coffee again (which I have recently stopped) and along with that
    came some refined sugar. I don’t usually drink milk, however, I was eating yogurt regularly though I cannot pin point whether it is helping or
    hindering me.Age: 51Today is Day 3 of a Raw Vegan Diet. I want to do this for 120 days just to get a feel for it. I have done raw before, usually for a day or two to
    prep for a cleanse but have never entertained doing it longer. My main goals are:1. Lose a bit of weight (I can afford up to 20 lbs)
    2. Energize (I have been feeling bogged down in my exercise for a few years)
    3. Aches and pains (There are a few areas in my body which have aches and pains, in the past I could usually get rid of those by steady exercise
    and changing something in my diet, at this point I am not sure, will revisit this point if it changes)
    4. Optimize Health and Breathing – Before the recent issues my breathing was a lot better, I will be doing some breathing exercises just to make
    sure laziness isn’t the main cause, however, I feel something needs to change inside, thus the raw and vegan parts of the diet.

    Please if anyone has some constructive comments or just want to flame me because you hate vegan I would appreciate the replies, thanks!

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby selftalk » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:54 pm

    This is good and you will get worthwhile results Im sure. I do it and it works out fine for me. Less visits to the doctor is the way to go. For the aches and pains you may want to include turmeric daily which is very good for inflammation. I take 1 level teaspoon in my green drink daily. Try to eliminate all oils. Dairy products cause a lot of ill health.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:38 pm

    selftalk wrote:This is good and you will get worthwhile results Im sure. I do it and it works out fine for me. Less visits to the doctor is the way to go. For the aches and pains you may want to include turmeric daily which is very good for inflammation. I take 1 level teaspoon in my green drink daily. Try to eliminate all oils. Dairy products cause a lot of ill health.

    Try to eliminate raw virgin cold pressed olive oil? Why?

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    Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby LadyGeek » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:45 pm

    Medical advice, which includes health benefits of diets, is off-topic. The OP’s items 3 and 4 intend to discuss the medical benefits of a vegan raw food diet. Additionally, the follow-up posts are discussing the effects of diet on health. This thread has run its course and is locked. See: Forum Policy

    …Note that this subforum has a much lower threshold for locking or removing posts than the financial and investing subforums.Medical IssuesQuestions on medical issues are beyond the scope of the forum. If you are looking for medical information online, I’d like to suggest you start with the Medical Library Association’s User’s Guide to Finding and Evaluating Health Information on the Web which, in addition to providing guidance on evaluating health information, includes lists of their top recommended sites in the following categories: consumer health, cancer, diabetes and heart disease. They also provide a larger, but less frequently updated, list called Top 100 List: Health Websites You Can Trust.

    Update: After receiving a PM, the OP has received approval by the moderators to start a new thread. The new thread will not contain any discussion of medical advice / dietary claims: Vegan Raw Food Diet

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  • Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:18 pm

    I have eaten vegetarian for 14 years. I feel I am running into some road blocks and want to try raw vegan for 120 days
    as recommended by some to see how things go. Anyone have any tips/pointers, thank you in advance!
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Mtn Hiker » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:05 pm

    Hello IPer:
    You may want to read “the Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith. This may clear up some of the road blocks you have been experiencing. It helped me a great deal.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby LadyGeek » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:15 pm

    FYI – The OP has arranged with the moderators to restart a previously locked thread, which was off-topic. The content has been revised; this thread is on-topic.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby lululu » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:35 pm

    IPer wrote:I have eaten vegetarian for 14 years. I feel I am running into some road blocks and want to try raw vegan for 120 days
    as recommended by some to see how things go. Anyone have any tips/pointers, thank you in advance!

    Road blocks?

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Murray Boyd » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:49 pm

    The primatologist Richard Wrangham (who happens to a vegetarian as well) wrote a book called, “Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human.” He makes the case that humans have evolved to eat cooked food. Basically, we have soft teeth and don’t digest raw food very well. He says that it’s very difficult to get enough energy from raw food, even meat. Once when he was doing fieldwork he tried eating what chimps ate (I think it was chimps) for a while, and he basically had to eat all day and he still lost weight. If I remember correctly, Wrangham suspects moderns diets would be improved by eating a lot more raw food (since most people eat none), but that an all raw food diet is unsustainable.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Raybo » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    Can you be more specific about what “blocks” you are having? At my local library there are several books on eating a raw food diet.One suggestion would be to get a food dehydrator.
    No matter how long the hill, if you keep pedaling you’ll eventually get up to the top.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:41 pm

    Mtn Hiker wrote:Hello IPer:
    You may want to read “the Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith. This may clear up some of the road blocks you have been experiencing. It helped me a great deal.
    Good Luck

    Well right now I am not so concerned about belief systems which support a meat or non-meat diet, thank you. The arguments,
    both ways, have been beaten with many sticks: https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2010/03 … n_myth.pdf

    I have really interested in tips to aid on my vegan raw path though I will entertain debate as a source of entertainment/inspiration!

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:44 pm

    lululu wrote:

    IPer wrote:I have eaten vegetarian for 14 years. I feel I am running into some road blocks and want to try raw vegan for 120 days
    as recommended by some to see how things go. Anyone have any tips/pointers, thank you in advance!

    Road blocks?

    Yeah, I won’t go into too much detail yet as I want other inputs before jeopardizing the thread, I am very interested in the experience of the folk
    on this board who I consider to be rational that have had experience with the post subject.

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:45 pm

    Murray Boyd wrote:The primatologist Richard Wrangham (who happens to a vegetarian as well) wrote a book called, “Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human.” He makes the case that humans have evolved to eat cooked food. Basically, we have soft teeth and don’t digest raw food very well. He says that it’s very difficult to get enough energy from raw food, even meat. Once when he was doing fieldwork he tried eating what chimps ate (I think it was chimps) for a while, and he basically had to eat all day and he still lost weight. If I remember correctly, Wrangham suspects moderns diets would be improved by eating a lot more raw food (since most people eat none), but that an all raw food diet is unsustainable.

    Yeah, I heard about that, will let you all know if I ever get to this point! Meanwhile my blender and I will be cutting the rug so to speak!

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:02 pm

    Raybo wrote:Can you be more specific about what “blocks” you are having? At my local library there are several books on eating a raw food diet.One suggestion would be to get a food dehydrator.

    Not yet, I don’t want to jeopardize this thread. If I wanted dried food I would stick it out in the sun or buy it dehydrated though I am not sure
    where that angle is heading? I have not researched the potential benefits of dried food, though I do use a few: Green tea (great non-roasted caffeine source, please
    no flames from the Starbucks people, I love Starbucks but I’m on vacation!), dried stevia leaves (reported to balance sugar, tastes very sweet, not good if overused),
    herbs (mainly for taste, could never consume enough Oregano, for example, to get the health benefits), and now you have me thinking about these large packs of \
    dried mushroom which I saw a very old lady on a taxi cuddling on her way back from market a few months ago.

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Raybo » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:28 pm

    So, you can’t tell us what issues you are having with your diet but you want us to suggest ideas for your diet. Do I have that right?Can you answer this question:What non-vegan foods do you currently eat?Instead of butter on toast, I use ripe avocado. Instead of yogurt, I use a silken tofu mixture that I make that takes its place. Instead of cheese, I can use nutritional yeast, though it isn’t really much of a substitute.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:57 pm

    Raybo wrote:So, you can’t tell us what issues you are having with your diet but you want us to suggest ideas for your diet. Do I have that right?

    Not yet, I don’t want to jeopardize this thread.

    Can you answer this question:What non-vegan foods do you currently eat?

    Today is Day 4 of Raw Vegan. Before this I was eating some dairy, cheese and some milk with coffee as well as eggs occasionally. But my main
    source of food has been the Thai Vegan restaurants here in Thailand, which I cannot control what they use. So I think if I cut out everything (all non-vegan)
    and go raw for now it will force me to eat only my food which has been prepped by me and answer the raw question as I have never really
    explored that.

    Instead of butter on toast, I use ripe avocado. Instead of yogurt, I use a silken tofu mixture that I make that takes its place. Instead of cheese, I can use nutritional yeast, though it isn’t really much of a substitute.

    Yeah, good suggestions. I am not much of a foodie so some of the obvious things just wouldn’t occur to me. I throw some stuff in the blender in the morning, nibble
    on stuff when I feel hungry, and chop up some stuff and throw it in a bowl in the late afternoon and sometimes use cold pressed olive oil and raw apple cider vinegar with
    a pinch of himalayin raw salt.

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby lululu » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:09 pm

    Murray Boyd wrote:The primatologist Richard Wrangham (who happens to a vegetarian as well) wrote a book called, “Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human.” He makes the case that humans have evolved to eat cooked food. Basically, we have soft teeth and don’t digest raw food very well.

    This reminds me of being told years ago by a doctor that humans were not supposed to be vegetarians because our teeth were adapted to eating meat. Yet, here I am :D a vegetarian for about forty years, and not starving.

    If our teeth were as soft as Wrangham thinks, I’d think they’d wear down over the years, like beavers’.

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby stemikger » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:18 pm

    My wife has tried several types of diets over the years and none of them made her feel good and she was unable to lose weight which along with feeling better was one of her goals.After watching a documentary which we saw on Amazon Prime called the Perfect Human Diet it really made us think. She did her research and found a diet called the Dukan diet and lost all of her weight and has never felt better. I must say she looks great. It’s just something to think about before you go Raw. According to this documentary our bodies are not meat to eat raw foods.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:48 am

    Yeah I heard one guy say if G-d had intended
    for us to eat raw there would be no fire.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby UncleBen » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:24 am

    I am not vegan but usually do a raw vegan diet one month a year as a form of detox. You asked for tips so these would be my top 5:
    1. Have a green smoothie everyday. If you can afford a Vitamix, get one it is worth it.
    2. I use tons of websites, blogs, and cookbooks but my #1 source of consistently good recipes is “Oh She Glows”. There are lots of recipes on the blog and she has an excellent cookbook.
    3. This is a time consuming lifestyle. The best timesaver I have found is to make a week’s worth of salads at a time and vacuum pack them in mason jars. You do not need an expensive Foodsaver. The little handheld one with the wide mouth jar attachment is ideal.
    4. It’s an expensive lifestyle, buy in bulk. Nuts and seeds can be vacuum packed. Greens, fruits, and veggies bought in bulk can be frozen for smoothies – no waste.
    5. Make things from scratch such as almond milk or coconut milk. It is easy (especially if you have the Vitamix) and cheaper (especially if you buy in bulk).
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:00 am

    UncleBen wrote:I am not vegan but usually do a raw vegan diet one month a year as a form of detox. You asked for tips so these would be my top 5:
    1. Have a green smoothie everyday. If you can afford a Vitamix, get one it is worth it.
    2. I use tons of websites, blogs, and cookbooks but my #1 source of consistently good recipes is “Oh She Glows”. There are lots of recipes on the blog and she has an excellent cookbook.
    3. This is a time consuming lifestyle. The best timesaver I have found is to make a week’s worth of salads at a time and vacuum pack them in mason jars. You do not need an expensive Foodsaver. The little handheld one with the wide mouth jar attachment is ideal.
    4. It’s an expensive lifestyle, buy in bulk. Nuts and seeds can be vacuum packed. Greens, fruits, and veggies bought in bulk can be frozen for smoothies – no waste.
    5. Make things from scratch such as almond milk or coconut milk. It is easy (especially if you have the Vitamix) and cheaper (especially if you buy in bulk).

    Good stuff, thanks much!

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby gatorking » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:14 am

    I would recommend adding sprouted beans to your diet. You could eat them raw or lightly steamed, if that is raw enough for you.
    Most of all, I recommend being truthful to yourself about how you feel on any diet.
    Good luck.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Chip Spoons » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:06 am

    If things aren’t going well, I would recommend that you be careful.1. People who are trying to lose weight (especially the last little bit of belly fat) and are eating well under maintenance can have low thyroid activity (a low carbohydrate diet even when eating well above maintenance will result in low T3, but that’s different). If the thyroid is kind of the throttle, in a desire to lose weight people are throttling down their metabolism and they often run into road blocks. I’ve heard of people tracking their body temperature. Who knows?2. Raw cruciferous vegetables contain gucosinolates, which impede iodine uptake. In an effort to be healthy, some people switch to sea salt, which is not iodised. Furthermore, some people don’t like seafood, which is the principle source of dietary iodine (sea vegetables are very high in iodine too – dulse is a pretty tasty snack right out of the bag if people’s palates aren’t acclimated to processed food). Adequate iodine is critical for thyroid function.3. Vegetarians/Vegans can rely on nuts. Unsprouted nuts have anti-nutrients.4. Vegetarians/Vegans rely on soy. Soy has phytoestrogens.

    5. What is stress? Not eating enough is stress. Running is stress. Lifting weights is stress. Not sleeping is stress. Poor diet is stress. Then all of the things people consider stressful (work, relationships, traffic) are stress. High stress raises cortisol.

    What’s great is there are doctors who can measure this stuff (cortisol, TSH, T3, T4, fT3, fT4, rT3).

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby lululu » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:30 pm

    Chip Spoons wrote:[OT comments removed by admin LadyGeek]

    It reeks of being stupid. [Response to OT comments removed by admin LadyGeek]

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:59 am

    Uh oh, sorry I missed those comments, please pm me if they were any good.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby LadyGeek » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:08 pm

    I removed one further reply (not by IPer). IPer, I sent you a PM.Anyone can PM me directly and ask for clarification, please don’t post in the thread. See: Forum Policy (“Member Rights in a Dispute”, 2nd paragraph)
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby nibble » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:48 pm

    Hi IPer… I’d like to toss a few suggestions your way for raw cooking websites that we enjoy at my house. Just like lululu, I’ve been vegetarian for forty years, and am definitely a “foodie.” I also agree with UncleBen and think that Oh She Glows is great. I am a vegan cook, and often migrate into raw cooking because it tastes so freakin’ good!YouTube is such a great resource… see if any of these choices of mine catch your interest:
    -Ani Phyo (fantastic stuff)
    -Dan MacDonald (easy recipes, including great raw tacos). See Insider’s Club.
    -OKraw (informative videos about raw)
    -Jennifer Cornbleet
    -Mimi Kirk (I don’t particularly follow her, but she’s been around for a long time, and is very good)Most of all, have fun with your food adventures. You will do great! :wink:
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:05 pm

    I just want to say thanks for all the good suggestions that have come to this thread!
    Please feel free to continue, best all!
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:53 pm

    fyi I went to http://www.okraw.com and his approach seems to be my approach, very interesting!
    It seems like the simplest approaches work best. Thanks for that suggestion!
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Dude2 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:28 pm

    I am reminded of a documentary I saw about how elephants have been domesticated to help with all sorts of labor — basically used as a bulldozer. To get this to work, instead of allowing the elephants to graze all day long (which is necessary because they have to eat about 200 kg of plants a day), they figured out how to crunch down bread, fruit, and rice into these gigantic elephant “pills” that they pop into their mouths while they are working. In this way, the elephant can do the labor and only has to eat 50 kg of food per day.I find grazing all day on low-carb vegetables very tiresome. Our diet needs to be appropriate for our labor. Perhaps the OP is having energy issues.
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:43 pm

    Dude2 wrote:I am reminded of a documentary I saw about how elephants have been domesticated to help with all sorts of labor — basically used as a bulldozer. To get this to work, instead of allowing the elephants to graze all day long (which is necessary because they have to eat about 200 kg of plants a day), they figured out how to crunch down bread, fruit, and rice into these gigantic elephant “pills” that they pop into their mouths while they are working. In this way, the elephant can do the labor and only has to eat 50 kg of food per day.I find grazing all day on low-carb vegetables very tiresome. Our diet needs to be appropriate for our labor. Perhaps the OP is having energy issues.

    Well today is Day 9. I definitely was not tired from grazing all day before. I am thinking I was having issues with the amount of rice I was eating, cooked rice, and in combination with the veggies (cooked) and high salt (and perhaps processed soy stuff), though I am not able to pinpoint that. Today my energy has increased a bit, my breathing a bit deeper, I am judging by how my daily exercise is going. In addition I started monitoring my heart rate using the Samsung S Health app with weight levels and so forth. My initial plan is to ride the Raw Vegan Diet for another 3+ months (to 120 days) and then get a comprehensive checkup regardless of how I am feeling. At this point I get full before I would be tired from “grazing” on veggies, all that could change and most likely will in the course of the next 3 months, we’ll see. Thanks for all your input!

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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby Dutch » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:18 pm

    You definitely need a blender
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  • Re: Vegan Raw Food Diet

    Postby IPer » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:41 am

    Dutch wrote:You definitely need a blender

    Um, as I previously posted, I do. Here I am with my knife/cutting board, blender, juicer and other such items.


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